Men Depression and MGTOW

Depressed young businessman sitting wet under rain
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  1. Jessire Nagy says:

    ♂ Hey Hedon, I did make a list on the article regarding M.G.M.. Check it. ¶ If you want to discuss some plans & suggestions & connections I could give you in private, you should notify your email address & I will give you some.

  2. Jessire Nagy says:

    & to Comment on post: Emphasis: females want a male in control, but to be in control would mean control would be linear because that’s what control is. So, essentially, females want an unrealistic fantasy. ¶ To paraphrase from the book: ‘Friend Of The Court, Enemy of The Family’: (poorly written) We have to accept the cold fact that women start most divorces. It’s all anecdotes in that book, but I’m tired of people saying “That’s just anecdotal. The ones giving anecdotes are the ones who are alert. The ones who aren’t or deflecting are distracted. ¶ I’ve known some really sick stories; one male I heard of planned his trip to another state, saved money, wasted energy all to be cheated on without even her telling him she didn’t want him anymore because she claimed: “He put me on a pedestal.” It’s absolutely sick; this guy showed that he was capable of having organizational skills, & then he was ruined by some cunt’s petty superficial fluctuating feelings. ¶ Anecdotes DO matter in these contexts. They’re by people who actually learn by experience & not just entertain themselves by experience.

    1. Hedon says:

      Yea, I just checked it. I really appreciate the list and the advise, Jessy. Thanks.

      1. Jessire Nagy says:

        ♂ The interesting thing about this phenomena of depression with masculinity is that once you get it, it will often be perpetual because of a cycle. Firstly, females are very limited to observations, as I’ve regurgitated this important point, so once a male becomes depressed, what happens when he approaches a female, she will then only fixate on that observation, & that combined with females’ obsession with mainly only power displays, will cause even further the isolation. ♂

      1. Jessire Nagy says:

        ♂ Hedon, here’s another list. I have not read these books yet because I still have another stock-pile before I can get to them, but you might be able to hunt for them in PDF format. ¶ Once we establish the rudiments & organic cores, then it answers much more importantly the cultural triggerings. ¶ I have looked on the index of those books pertaining to the general field & they have sections on sex differences :


        Sex Related Differences in Cognitive Functioning (Academic Press series in cognition and perception) 0th Edition
        by Michele A. Wittig (Author), Anne C. Peterson

        Biology, Society, and Behavior: The Development of Sex Differences in Cognition (Advances in Applied Developmental Psychology) 1st Edition
        by Ann McGillicuddy-De Li (Editor), Richard De Lisi (Editor)

        Principles of Cognitive Neuroscience 1st Edition
        by Dale Purves

        Cognitive Neuroscience and Neuropsychology 2nd Edition
        by Marie T. Banich

        Essentials of Cognitive Neuroscience 1st Edition
        by Bradley R. Postle

        A Companion to Cognitive Science
        by William Bechtel (Editor), George Graham (Editor)

        Brain, Perception, Memory: Advances in Cognitive Neuroscience 1st Edition
        by Johan J. Bolhuis (Editor)

        Fundamentals of Human Neuropsychology (Hardcover)
        by Ian Q. Whishaw, Bryan Kolb

        Cognitive Neuroscience: The Biology of the Mind 2nd Edition
        by Michael S. Gazzaniga (Author), Richard B. Ivry (Author), G. R. Mangun (Author)

        Cognition and Sex Differences 1st Edition
        by Colin Hamilton (Author)

        Brain and Behavior: A Cognitive Neuroscience Perspective 1st Edition
        by David Eagleman (Author), Jonathan Downar (Author)

        Brain and Behavior: A Cognitive Neuroscience Perspective 1st Edition
        by David Eagleman (Author), Jonathan Downar (Author)

        1. Hedon says:

          I really appreciate the list, brother. It’ll take time to go through them because time isn’t on my side but i’ll definitely get to them. Again, thanks.

  3. what is also interesting is how marriage and the typical provider role that arises from it is damaging male mental and physical health even more…very often I found out that relationships made me feel depressive after some time

  4. sam says:

    I’ve never experienced depression myself but my inner circle contains quit a few fellows who engage in outrages substance abuse. These are all educated fellows with wives and girlfriends. But they don’t seem to be particularly happy.

  5. kirea says:

    This “human doing” paradigm makes men especially vulnerable when depressed. When you’re depressed, you lose your motivation; you stop doing things, and when a man stops doing things, he loses his public identity. A common advice given to depressed people is to “just get out and socialize”. That’s easier said than done for a depressed man. How is he supposed to pull that off when he has just lost his pubic identity? Where is he supposed to get support and compassion without being judged and expected to prove himself? I suspect that most mental health related advise is really intended primarily for women.

    1. MD says:

      “I suspect that most mental health related advise is really intended primarily for women”

      That’s exactly what it is! Particularly when it comes to depression. You can check any Danish health sites regarding depression and it’s framed by women as a template.

    2. kirea says:

      I would say that one of the worst things with being male is that’s you’re always expected to prove yourself. No one really gives a shit unless you can demonstrate that you’re “useful”. Proving yourself and subjecting yourself to being judged are the last things you want do when you’re depressed.

      1. Max Hydrogen says:

        And even then, proving yourself doesn’t merit any respect; you’ve just earned the right to work for others another day longer.

        1. kirea says:

          Of course. What else would you expect? You manage to prove that you’re useful, and then you get used. Pretty obvious really when you think about it.

  6. Thank you Hedon, this really hit home. I discovered the Red Pill, while married, and it saved me from an emotional dead end. Right before the Red Pill, I got to the point where I started asking myself, if men are only seen as a wallet, are men then obsolete?

    I couldn’t get that question out of my head. Are men obsolete? So one night, 18 months ago, I Googled the question and came across Karen Straughan’s video, “Are Men Obsolete?” This led me to Sandman’s, Intro to MGTOW, a from there I just tumbled down the rabbit hole.

  7. John Lord says:

    I see it with my father. His failure to be a ” proper provider” led to an almost daily verbal abuse at the hands of my mother. She even once complained to his own brother about how “he was a child in so many ways” . Because he had trouble holding “a normal paying job”, and he could never really be there for me the way I wanted hint to be. Who would go behind the back of their spouse, and badmouth them to their own brother?

    1. Hedon says:

      Wow, that is horrible, but I’m not surprised. Something I’ve noticed about men (blue pill men) is that they don’t know what happens to them until it’s too late. They can’t even get mad because she can take the kids and most of what they have. So they’re usually stuck in a situation where it has to be bottled deep down while taking the abuse. And when they finally let that anger go, it’s usually on another male.

      1. John lord says:

        And all while, wondering why his brother refuses to have anything to do with either of them. The cognitive dissonance is glaring. Not all men are equipped to be “captains of industry “.

  8. Karen says:

    If there is one personality trait that defines the Religious Right, it is a bitterness that never dies. Their only joy is their sorrow; for they have inverted reality to please an Unseen Force…hoping, for euphoria post mortem…a state they will be ill prepared to adopt…having spent decades of their temporal incarnation embracing misery and anger at the expense of all that is natural, light-hearted, and fun.

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