I wish to explore the topic of hybristophilia more deeply than my previous effort which can be found here. In my previous submission I hypothesized that hybristophilia, a sexual attraction to violence, can manifest in several ways, not simply in the case of the most extreme examples of the serial killer “groupies” society looks at with shock and revulsion. I posited that female attraction lies instead on a hybristophilic spectrum ranging from the average girl next door who likes her hair pulled a little during sex, to women who not only fantasize about, but often go on to pursue romances with extremely violent men which include the likes of Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, and more recently, mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik. I came across a documentary on this very subject which I will post here.
The documentary is misleading however, it follows the lives of several older or unattractive women that have developed affections for high profile killers and mass murderers including Ramirez who terrified Los Angelos with a string of rapes and murders against women. It gives the impression that only a desperate lonely woman, coming to terms with her faded sexual attractiveness could fall for such violent and dangerous men, this is absolutely not the case…
The Manson family is a perfect example of a violent man, Charles Manson, securing the affection and devotion of multiple young attractive women, depicted here are Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten in the prime of their lives looking like fertile perpetually youthful woodstock flower children, after having committed horrific murders in service to Manson.
Ted Bundy after having been put on trial for not just murder, but brutal murder sprees in which at least 30 women died by his hands, had young attractive groupies going as far as to dye their hair brown and wear it parted so as to imitate the type of women that he killed… I’m going to say that again. Young attractive women, dyed their hair, to look like the women that Ted Bundy targeted for murder. The video below details this as well as the marriage proposal that was sent and accepted by Ted to one of his groupies, a woman by the name of Carol Boon (who is rumored to have been impregnated by Bundy in prison and likely gave birth to his daughter) in the middle of a court proceeding.
Something deep down in the female psyche wants to be destroyed by a powerful man, No I don’t necessary mean literally, perhaps a better word than destroyed would be..absorbed, but this can range from the traditional housewife who wants a strong dominant man to destroy her metaphorical soul, so she can be alleviated of the burden of having to navigate reality, opting instead of having her independent mind intact, to let her man do all the thinking and all the deciding, all the way to women who literally want to have their real soul, their very lives devoured by charismatic psychopaths. Women want to be consumed by men, as long as these men allow themselves to be consumed right back.
The traditional wife’s husband consumes himself when he dies ten years before her, and Ted Bundy, well, he got the electric chair didn’t he.
A little known fact and a fascinating read comes in the form of a memoir titled The Phantom Prince: My Life with Ted Bundy penned by Liz Kloepfer, Ted Bundys fiance of five years during which he was committing many of the murders he would eventually be executed for. I read all 180+ pages of her account with the serial killer in one night, fixating on certain parts from a mgtow perspective, now able to pick out the parts where a seemingly intelligent and well-off woman gives way to the furious spinning of her hamster, making every excuse to push down her suspicions that Ted was in fact a serial killer until the evidence just became too overwhelming to deny. Finally, Ted admitted to the crimes to her himself, and even still, after knowing he viciously slaughtered so many women, after he admitted to Liz that he had even had thoughts about killing her and her daughter, she ends her account as such:
In that middle-of-the-night phone caU from Florida, Ted told
me that he tried to stay away from me when he felt the power
of his sickness building in him. I wondered if those times
coincided with the times I felt so left out, felt that he was hiding
something from me. I suspected that it was other women, and
it often was, but he was also hiding a terrible secret. He loved
life and enjoyed it to the fullest. The tragedy is that this warm
and loving man is driven to kill.
Even the knowledge that he had her… and her twelve year old daughter in her murderous thoughts, isn’t enough to dispel the fog of war and euphoria that is a whirlwind romance with a man whom she perceives as an alpha male. I don’t usually like to dabble in PUA definitions but in this isolated example I feel that the concept of the alpha widow is apt which is described by a reddit post on r/theredpill
The idea of an “alpha widow” is something that pops up occasionally here on TRP, and I think it deserves some attention and consideration. The concept is actually very central to why we criticize the CC and why it’s harmful for women’s long-term mating strategy.
So, for the sake of this conversation let’s arrange SMV in percentile. 90th percentile is top 10%. The typical Western girl in her 20’s isn’t looking to settle down, she’s looking to have fun. Let’s make a hypothetical girl: we’ll call her Jane. Let’s say Jane is a fairly okay but still very average girl, we’ll put her at 60th percentile at the age of 22. Jane likes to sleep with guys who are 80th+ percentile. These guys don’t mind stooping downwards because guys love sex and for him, she’s just another plate to spin who didn’t take that much effort.
Once, she even was the plate for a guy who was 95th percentile. A real top dog. She didn’t even make this guy wear a condom. He’s handsome, in shape, wealthy, has a nice apartment and an expensive car, and a fat dick. He’s sleeping with a lot of other girls at the same time. She doesn’t care, because girls would rather be one of many in the harem of an alpha, than the one and only of some disgusting creepy beta. He fucks her a few weeks than he moves on.
This guy is now her high water mark for the kind of guy that she thinks he can get. But her fatal flaw is in assuming that she could ever get such a guy to commit to her. This kind of guy will fuck her, but that’s it. Why would a 95th percentile guy commit to a girl like that? Are you fucking kidding me? Not a chance in hell he would do that. But yeah, he’ll dump her load in her every now and then, no question of that.
Fast forward 10 years. Now she’s 32. She’s gotten fatter, started to get wrinkles, she’s less fun and cheerful than she was in her 20’s, and generally less attractive. Let’s now say she dropped in value to a man: now let’s say she’s 40th percentile. However, in HER mind, she’s increased in value: She now has a master’s degree in women’s studies and a 32k a year job working in HR and two cats – this is a woman on top of her game! She now decides it’s time to settle down because that biological clock is ticking.
But she finds that any of the type of men that she wants won’t commit to her. She’s used to banging 80+ percentile guys (remember that one who was 95?) and therefore imagines that this is the type that should marry/commit to her. But the reality is now that she’s looking at guys who are double her SMV. Men who are equal to her SMV, she sneers at because they’re “creepy” and “gross.” She could do better. She knows it! She’s just awesome, obviously. Every man, all her friends, her parents, media, music, and everyone else in society has been telling her since she was a toddler that she’s awesome and great and perfect. Obviously it must be true. And that’s why she “dated” so many hot guys in her 20’s.
But nevertheless nobody will commit to her. Why are men such jerks?! Where have all the good men gone?! The world has wronged her. She’s a victim. She’s owed something that she isn’t getting, and it’s men’s fault, because they’re the ones not giving it to her.
Now she’s 35 and realizes she has almost no time left to have kids. She marries a guy who is equal to her SMV. Another 40th percentile. He’s not a bad guy, and there’s nothing specifically offensive about him, but he isn’t in shape, handsome, interesting, smart, or wealthy. Never mind the fact that she herself is not in shape, handsome interesting, smart, or wealthy either – but that doesn’t stop her from secretly resented his mediocrity. She silenced this resentment until the kids were pumped out. But in her mind, this guy isn’t her equal – this guy is 40 percent lower in SMV than the men she used to fuck. This guy is a fucking loser.
Till one day he leaves the toilet seat up after he came home exhausted from working a 14 hour day to pay for their children and she decides that she’s had enough of his abusiveness, that she deserves better. Cue divorce and cash prizes.
Now she’s 40 and hanging out in bars buying long island iced teas with her kids child support money, hitting on men twice her SMV, while her kids tuck themselves in on friday night and can never hope to see daddy again.
Relax gentleman, this blog will never turn into some dick measuring contest where I shame men to not be “beta” or what have you, a brief search of the PUA category on this blog will make clear how I feel about them, but they are occasionally accurate in their assessments of women, women will endure any hardship for lust and the stern guidance of an assertive male, this is not right or wrong, it simply is, it is our job as mgtow however to educate each other about this potent evolutionary quirk so as to not fall victim to it. I assure you, you do not want to be on the business end of one of these alpha male brutes these women love when the time comes for him to occasionally prove to her that he in fact is the silver-backed gorilla she perceives him to be.
Watch a former model (for a company named “bust boosters” of all things), Victoria Redstall, befriend and then actually have a romance with A serial killer named Wayne Adam Ford who had a penchant for cutting off the breasts of the women he killed in the video below:
It’s amazing to watch isn’t it? how she playfully flirts with him on the phone, captivated by his voice like a lovestruck schoolgirl, how she cries with him on the phone, this man murders women just like her and extricates their body parts…such is the power of blind female attraction, reason stands no chance. Redstall insists that her relationship with Ford is exclusively platonic, a deep friendship and nothing more, but in the book body parts she is quoted as saying the following in regards to Wayne :
“I will kiss your eyes, drink your tears (if you have any) kiss every part of you that I can (without getting into trouble) hold your hand, kiss your hand, your arm, your fingers, your lips…I LOVE YOU like a drug that I cannot get enough of.”
Does not sound very platonic if you ask me. Notice the desire to consume his very essence, the woman is willing to drink the mans salty bodily fluids just to feel closer to him, this is what I mean when I say this type of female attraction is one in which she wants to be overtaken, assimilated into the borg of a man’s masculinity, with the benefit of course of being able to wield it when necessary.
To be clear, I don not wish this post to read simply as an indictment of the depravity of female sexuality, there are many, many, men who seem to have the same sexual attraction to violence, some of which I will mention here. I only wish to make the claim that although human sexuality is extremely complex, and there are men who are indeed hybristophiliacs, there are evolutionary forces within female sexuality that make them soemewhat more likely to select for violent traits in men, when women talk about their attraction to a man in uniform, a cop or a a young, handsome marine, they are in fact subconsciously voicing the same kind of compulsion that led the Manson girls, or Karla Homolka, or Liz Kloepfer to their attraction to men which by all accounts they should deem repulsive.
It is not a general love of violence for these women, but a love of the stability and safety that potentially having access to this violence offers to them. It will sound as though I am giving male sexuality a pass in regards to some very similar situations, but the distinction must be made that many instances where men express sexual attraction to violent women is not borne out of the violent actions the female takes, but instead a simple reaction to a woman who is physically attractive and just so happens to be violent. I have seen hundreds of comments about the infamous case of Casey Anthony, who was acquitted of murdering her daughter but has been deemed guilty by public opinion to the same degree that OJ Simpson is of his crimes, talking about how “Hot” this woman (who is almost surely a child murderer) is, almost all of which were from men. To be fair, she can be said to be objectively attractive by any reasonable standard:
But you would think that the thought of her killing a little girl, her daughter, would be enough to short circuit the attraction these men may have for her. Apparently not. But it is in my opinion, conclusively not the violence that attracts men to this woman in the majority, but just her physical features, if they met a woman who looked exactly like her who hadn’t committed these acts, they would be no more or less attracted to her, the attraction is based on a purely physical assessment. The same can likely be said about men who think that female sexual predators are sexually attractive. The first thing you will hear when striking up a conversation with your average group of men about the latest pussy-passed 30 something who seduced some teenaged boy is an almost unanimous proclamation of,
“Man where were these teachers when I was in high school amirite?!”
When men say this, they aren’t thinking about the psychological, social, and legal damage these women, who are child molesters of the worst kind (the kind in a position of authority and who possess the neotony to get away with it), have done to these young boys just as they were transitioning to adulthood. They are simply reacting to a pretty face and thats that, their thought process never gets to the point where the young boy turns eighteen and is now forced to pay child support, it is, again, just pure physical attraction.
The true male hybristophiliacs are the men that actually get off on women doing violent things. There is the phenomena of crush porn, a sexual fetish that involves (mostly men) watching women in sharp stiletto heels crush innocent animals ranging from chicks to kittens and puppies. On a rational level, I understand the need for our species to place primacy over life forms distinct from our own. I understand why we believe ourselves (with good reason) to be a more valuable form of life in comparison to a fly, or a mosquito or an elephant or even other primates. We are the most sentient species we know of by any reasonable standard and life that can think, and derive physical equations that explain the mechanisms of our universe are (it can be argued) objectively more valuable than life forms that cannot. But there is something that creeps down into the deepest fibers of my being and comes back up with the most potent hatred my brain can muster for people who kill dogs and other innocent animals. To me, dogs are special creatures that should be protected and cared for, anyone that would break the special bond we humans have cultivated with the canine species that has earned them the title of being mans best friend is a despicable human being in my opinion, but nonetheless, human sexuality will pursue what it wants one way or another.
I make the argument that men like this, who derive enjoyment from graphic acts of female animal abuse are the true male hybristophiliacs. There are certainly women who likely watch these animal crush porn videos as well but I would wager that most people who are consuming these porn videos are men with a deep need to fantasize about women in positions of authority and power. one notable case I found an article titled Videographer gets 50 years in animal crush videos stated the following (emphasis mine):
A Houston man has been sentenced to 50 years in prison for cruelty to animals, for his role in filming animal crush videos.
Brent Justice, 54, was convicted and sentenced Monday for cruelty to non-livestock animals. He and Ashley Richards, 25, were arrested in August 2012 after a complaint from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, known as PETA.
Investigators said Justice filmed a scantily clad Richards, sometimes masked, stabbing animals – including a puppy, a kitten and a chicken – as well as chopping off their limbs and urinating on them while making sexual comments to the camera.
Crush videos are part of a fetish culture in which small animals, like puppies and kittens, are tortured or killed for the sexual gratification of observers. Videos of the acts, usually shown online, have been marketed as rituals or sacrifices.
Richards was convicted in 2014 on state charges and sentenced to 10 years in prison. Last year, she pleaded guilty in federal court to four counts of creating animal crush videos and one film distribution charge under the Animal Crush Video Prohibition Act of 2010.
In one of the videos seized by authorities, Richards punctured a cat’s eye with a shoe heel. In other videos, she used a meat cleaver and other knives to maim animals.
The videos were produced in Houston from 2010 to 2012.
The man who filmed the crimes received a 50 year sentence while the woman actually doing the killing received a 10 year sentence, nothing like having a pussy pass for 1/5 the sentence time on such a despicable crime, but it is what it is.
The most bizarre and, dare I say, interesting example of male hybristophilia that I could find came in the form of a mid level east Oakland drug dealer named Charles Cosby and his fateful encounter, and subsequent romance with a woman named Grisleda Blanco, the self professed “baddest bitch to ever take a breath of life” and if you think her claim was in any way an exaggeration you have not read up on this woman.
She was an unadulterated mass murdering psychopath who also managed to work her way up from the streets of Columbia to being the foremost Columbian drug king(queen?)pin of her time. The woman mentored Pablo Escobar himself, and was arguably just as ruthless, directly ordering hundreds, perhaps thousands of murders in hopes of exterminating her rivals in the columbian drug trade ( a goal she eventually succeeded in) becoming a billionaire in the process. Charles Cosby decided to randomly send Blanco a letter while she was in prison detailing to her his admiration for her business savvy and unwillingness to take shit off of…well anyone. To his surprise Griselda responded and a romance ensued, an unknown Californian Easy-E look-alike drug dealer become, in one fell swoop, the main love interest of the most powerful female criminal on the planet.
A documentary called cocaine cowboys II was made and it is one hell of a watch, the trailer can be found below
At first I was under the impression that Cosby was with this woman (who was much older than him) simply for the connections and business opportunities a romance with her would provide. The man become a millionaire shortly after meeting her ( I believe in a matter of days if I recall correctly). But there are sections in the documentary where he recalls their conjugal visits in prison, where he regales the viewer with stories about their sexual encounters, he passionately described her as a regal queen, and discusses how the first time he saw her he was blown away by how beautiful she was, and how she was a vision of feminine royalty. The entire story unfolds like a real life Dickensian saga, and after watching the first equally enrapturing installment, i highly recommend you give it a watch.
Perhaps I’m reading to much into it, but the way he described thier relationship it seemed like equal parts business and pleasure. Perhaps you guys can watch and tell me if you disagree, but it certainly seemed that way as i watched. But assuming he truly had some kind of feelings for this women, this was a man who was attracted to a woman that killed hundreds more souls than Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez…some food for thought gentleman, feel free to add any more accounts of male hybristophilia in the comments.