It’s important that we as clear thinking men, not reach for illogical solutions based on false beliefs when faced with complex problems. An example of a very complex problem is Misandry, a nonsensical solution to this problem is being advocated by a particularly individualistic type of man who is increasingly commenting on MGTOW videos, and that solution is complete civilisational collapse brought on by an armed conflict (also known as a hard collapse) or hyperinflation (also known as a soft collapse). My goal in this article is to present you with an accurate reflection of what happens to the vast majority of men during times of extreme societal upheaval leading to a breakdown in government and norms of behaviour. I will do this by first discussing the treatment of non-combatant men within armed conflicts and the subsequent aid & rescue operations and secondly by presenting the realities of a financial collapse with both historical and recent examples.
Men, increasingly frustrated with runaway Hypergamy and Misandry are incorrectly assuming that the basic evolutionary survival pressures that necessitate Gynocentrism magically disappear when AK47’s and RPG’s are pulled out, this has recently lead to an increase in the post apocalyptic survivalist rhetoric on MGTOW YouTube comment threads. A little knowledge of recent history would suggest that this kind of braggadocio is better saved for Mad Max movie marathons with the buddies.
In the highly unfortunate situation that you are faced with some sort of global, regional, national or local lethal mass conflict, the very same aid agencies such as FEMA funded by your tax monies will ignore the gender neutral language of their founding charters and apply a cold triage system to the situation at hand, this triage will ultimately leave the majority of men either to fend for themselves, thereby resulting in death due to dehydration, starvation, disease or murder.
Real life evidence of this can be seen in the Balkans conflict that took place in the early to mid 1990’s, an article by R. Charli Carpenter in the Journal ‘International Organization’ explains the circumstances faced by men in this conflict, Charlie wrote, “Of all non-combatants in the former Yugoslavia, adult civilian men were most likely to be massacred by enemy forces. Why, therefore, did international agencies mandated with the “protection of civilians” evacuate women and children, but not military-age men, from besieged areas?
That is indeed an excellent question. Charlie’s article reviewed the operational dilemmas faced by protection workers in the former Yugoslavia when negotiating access to civilian populations. Charlie did well to point out that Firstly, “gender beliefs constitute the strategies on which civilian protection is based” and secondly, “gender norms operate in practice to constrain the options available to protection workers in assisting civilians”. Charlie concluded that “these two causal pathways converged in the former Yugoslavia to produce effects disastrous to adult men and male adolescents.”
Should your country descend into a full scale war, the head of the local Red Cross will absolutely switch to the default position of the human species, and that default is ‘lets make sure the women and children are safe’, a quick look around the disaster planning briefing room will find no dissenting voices to this suggestion that they only rescue women and children, after all, who except a monster would want woman and children to be harmed in war?
Another important consideration that we ought to be mindful of is the fact that as the author explained in the paper “gender norms operate in practice to constrain the options available to protection workers in assisting civilians”, I would go further and suggest that these same gender norms mean that even though shit is clearly hitting the fan and your nation’s enemies may be engaging in the worst sort of atrocities such as ethnic cleaning, men and boys will still be expected to ‘man-up’, this means fending for themselves, if you are a ‘real man’, you will be expected to just deal with it and find a way out after the last rescue helicopters have airlifted the women and girls to safety. In normal civilised life, the end result of this ‘man-up’ attitude is reduced access to homeless shelters, less taxpayer funded financial support for men, fewer domestic violence shelters, however in a war zone this the end result will be a callous zero sum scenario, one in which men will be systematically excluded from the relatively safety of guarded refugee camps, evacuation efforts and food distribution.
Charlie went on to explain that “Of all war-affected non-combatants worldwide, those most at risk of summary execution are adult civilian males.” The propensity of belligerents to single out adult men for massacre has now been documented in dozens of ongoing conflicts. More often than women, children, or the elderly, military-age men are assumed to be “potential”combatants and are therefore treated by armed forces as if they are in fact legitimate targets.” In some sort of hard collapse, rival armies or local militia will not quietly leave you alone to Go Your Own Way, you see, you may have mastered your biological propensities as a MGTOW, but the rest of the planet has not, men will likely be systematically hunted down and summarily executed, due to the assumption of all men being “potential” combatants. The very same Gynocentrism that drove the passage of ‘yes means yes’ laws, in times of peace will become a lethal force to men in times of strife. International agencies mandated with the protection of war-affected civilians generally aim to provide protection in a neutral manner, but in practice they prioritize the protection of the “especially vulnerable.” according to the Charlie, the “especially vulnerable” is interchangeable women and children.
If adult men are most likely to lose their lives directly as a result of the fall of a besieged town, one would expect that, given these standards, rescue agencies would emphasize protection of civilian men in areas under siege by armed forces. In reality, in places where civilians have been evacuated from besieged areas in an effort to save lives, it is typically women, children, and the elderly who have composed the evacuee populations. During the wars of secession in the former Yugoslavia. Of the 18,000 missing persons after the wars, the International Committee of the Red Cross estimated that 92 percent were men and only 8 percent women. Although many men died as soldiers, reluctant conscripts, or in detention and forced labor camps, others were the victim of highly discriminate massacres in which military-age male civilians were separated from women, children, and the elderly and executed while the latter were permitted to flee.’ This pattern was established early in the war within towns that had fallen to the Bosnian Serb Army. When the debate over whether to evacuate began, senior protection officers at the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) insisted that only persons facing “an acute,life threatening situation” should be evacuated. ”Our responsibility, as we see it, is to alleviate the suffering of vulnerable groups,”read a UNHCR field report in December 1993. Yet when humanitarian agencies later began to evacuate “vulnerable” civilians en masse from war zones, the evacuees were nearly always women, children, and the elderly. Able-bodied “military-age” male civilians (precisely those civilians most likely to be killed or detained on suspicion of engaging in hostilities) were almost never given safe passage along with their families.
Its here that I would argue that the reason a societal collapse is so particularly dangerous for men, especially adolescent or adult men is that within the global tribe of humans, men are the last group to have empathy extended to them, empathy is currently extended to everyone and everything it seems, except men. Our biological drivers mean that empathy has been extended to women, children. Even animals that through domestication have acquired neotenous features such as cats and dogs are now included in our ever widening empathy circles. As a species we are concerned about the plight of the environment, art, concrete bridges and vegetative fauna and that is a large part of the reason that in a societal collapse peace keepers will work hard to protect precious works of art from being looted in museums but will do little to airlift men to safety. The unflinching hand of biology is actually somewhat benign within a civilised life, during a societal collapse with no governmental process to arbitrate on matters of violent coercion, the possibility of being fined for ‘man spreading’ on the subway will be the least of a mans concerns.
If there is a societal collapse, a single adult male roaming around the country side in search of food is likely to quickly find himself summarily executed as a potential source of violence and disruption to social cohesion by whatever group faction claims ownership over that region, women and children are more likely to be welcomed into the community and cared for, especially youthful and attractive women. Conflicts actually serve to magnify existing human tendencies, especially Gynocentrism.
This tendency is well illustrated by Canada’s decision recently to exclude single male refugees from Syria. In the modern imagination, the image of a doting father is much easier to swallow than one of a disaffected 23 year old man. Even though the Canadian government is aware of the fact that sending these young men back to what is an active war zone will mean many will face death sentences as traitors, or simply be terminated in the now routine bombings and sectarian violence. The fact that Canada was able to do this with relatively little international backlash shows to what extent a man can expect to rely on the charity and good graces of others when things fall apart. Who here believes that the Canadian government would have been able to get away with excluding unmarried women from its borders?
Another theme I have encountered recently is the laughable attempt to suggest that a tangible difference exists for men in a hard vs soft collapse, this usually goes along the lines of ‘in a hard collapse, we are all fucked’ but ‘in a soft collapse possibly driven by a financial collapse then men may have an easier time as there will still be a somewhat functioning government therefore anarchy may not prevail’, on the surface this seem plausible and I too found this to be a very alluring position, until I researched recent examples of so called ‘soft collapses’,
Soft collapse enthusiasts are making a false distinction. Here we gain a tremendous deal of insight by analysing human beings within of the context of survival pressures. In Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, your basic needs of food and shelter form the base of the pyramid for a reason, they are essential and without these needs first being met, your other needs are largely irrelevant. What will it matter to you that a woman is submissive and virginal if you haven’t eaten for a week, at that point you won’t have a sex drive? You biological driven drive to stay alive really does not distinguish between the cause of your gnawing hunger. It does not care if your involuntary fasting is due socialist militants who have blockaded the city or because your very own democratically elected government encouraged the central bank to print currency to the point of hyperinflation! Just as importantly your neighbour does not really care about the source of his hunger and malnutrition, only that he is in need of food and you potentially have resources which may keep he and his family alive. The end result of a soft collapse will be violence, just like in a hard collapse, and based on what we know about the human ape, this will tend to be violence towards men.
Within Anthony McElligott’s book ”Rethinking the Weimar Republic: Authority and Authoritarianism, 1916-1936” Anthony addressed key features of the hyperinflation during the Weimar Republic, with regards to the skyrocketing levels of theft and larceny the author wrote that, “Difficult conditions of the previous war and economic insecurity drove otherwise law abiding citizens to resort to other means of making ends meet. At the height of the inflation, for example the incidence of prosecutions for theft rose by a factor of 363 above the pre-war level”.
Rather than relying solely on European history to make these points lets look to another part of the world. At this very moment in Venezuela sporadic looting of grocery stores and supermarkets is taking place as Hyperinflation takes hold, murder rates have skyrocket to the point where they are now the second highest in the world. Providing a clear path that shows that when enough time passes any ‘soft’ financially induced collapse quickly becomes a ‘hard collapse’ where violence is the norm, this video of Venezuela published on the Sep 2, 2015 gives a very good visual idea of a so called ‘soft collapse’
How does this scene differ from a “hard collapse”?
Although many MGTOW have libertarian and individualistic leanings, MGTOW are very much a byproduct of an advanced industrial civilisation and the collectivism this spawns, in fact there is a gathering body of evidence to suggest that as society mechanises both genders tend to go their separate ways, men adopt individualistic behaviours specific to their environment and so do women, in our current environment that would seem to be MGTOW and feminism respectively. The reason you are able to go ‘ghost’ is because of civilisation. ‘Ghosting’ in the absence of civilisation will descend into nothing more that waiting to die of communicable diseases, starvation or violence at the hands of a stranger in some backwater wilderness. Some men have stated that in the event of a collapse, they will operate farms and grow their own food, I had a recent discussion with Colttaine where he brought up an important important fact which these ultra individualist men ought to consider, that in a scenario where for example, you run an aquaponics operation at home, you may certainly be well fed, for a while, however the day something goes wrong with your aquaponics system, you will face a quick death without a supermarket to obtain groceries from or without an aquaponics manufacture to Fed Ex spare parts to you.
So while I am not in any way suggesting that MGTOW should or even can help avert a collapse of any sort, ‘soft’ or ‘hard’, let us not labour under the false belief that such a nightmare scenario holds the keys to the salvation of men. The period of interregnum between the collapse and the formation of a new governmental system will cause an incalculable amount of suffering to the most venerable group in human history, namely males!
by CS MGTOW
References
‘Women and Children First’: Gender, Norms, and Humanitarian Evacuation in the Balkans 1991-95 by RC Carpenter
Rethinking the Weimar Republic: Authority and Authoritarianism, 1916-1936 by Anthony McElligott
Death in Venezuela looting amid food shortages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkVUrC7iPQE&feature=youtu.be
As much as many complain, I think now can be a Golden age for mgtow minded men. All we really need are a few legal corrections and a few technological advancements for this society to be perfect for mgtow. Enjoy the rise men.
After CS MGTOW takes his channel down, I hope he carries on posting content here.
There has never been a better time to be a man. Half of all adult men in the US are now single. If they remain unmarried – which has been the trend for many decades – fewer and fewer over time will suffer false accusations, parental alienation, the divorce rape of asset division, alimony and child support, suicidal ideation and of course gynocratic and white knight induced stress and depression related early deaths. Had a debate with a woman on this not to long ago and she was shocked – shocked I tell you – that I reveled in the fact that men’s lifespans were coming more in line with women’s and vice versa. She was shocked that I thought this a good thing. Gotta love that.
Unwittingly, feminism freed men from the slavery of marriage. Unwittingly, feminism exposed the lie of rape culture. Unwittingly, feminism exposed the the myth of the evil patriarchy. At no other time in history have more men been enlightened – and it’s all thanks to the lies and fraudulent statistics feminists and white knights perpetuate.
“Affirmative Consent” is a joint between feminists and cuckservatives to stop hookup culture and to promote marriage and family – the very thing that destroys men. Everyone knows that rapists never ask for consent. The Safe Campus Act has zero chance of passing. Why? Because feminists and cuckservatives want to be able to destroy naive men and use them as examples of why hookup culture is bad and why marriage is good – hoping you pay no attention to those divorced, destroyed men hidden carefully behind the societal cloak of cultural misandry and male disposability. It’s all about social conditioning. It’s all about keeping men and women primed for cultural misandry and male disposability.
So desperate are governments that they’re allowing women into combat roles and even considering women for the draft. Why? Because the number of men that are fat and happy and unfit for battlefield action grows each year. Because those still numb enough to enlist are forced by anti-attrition laws to serve multiple deployments, well beyond their originally agreed upon enlistment terms – further ensuring their combat related deaths.
Information in male oriented groups such as this fly to your eyeballs the instant posts are published. Everyone now has the ability to see that the numero uno mistake men make in life is giving women psychological, spiritual, physical, legal, social and financial power over their lives. The greatest mistake a man can ever make is giving a woman the ring of power. Why? Because for the remainder of his life, he’ll never know when that ticking time bomb of a NAWALT he married will go AWALT and use that ring of power to alter his destiny and destroy his life. What better way to keep married men living on bended knee for the gynocracy?
Marriage only benefits women – despite the highly manipulated “men live longer, are happier and make more money when married” statistics. Those stats are as cherry picked and massaged as the 1 in 5 sexual assault/rape statistics. In fact, you have to have been living under a rock for the past few decades to put faith in any statistic the government delivers. The agenda driven fraud underpinning government statistics grows exponentially as each year passes.
So desperate are government to maintain and/or grow their populations that, rather than admit that feminism is the cause of declining fertility and social collapse – which is forbidden under feminist, hypergynocentric rule – they illegally mass import millions upon millions of new wage and tax slaves from impoverished countries – bypassing the need to disturb native women. One more reason to open combat roles and the draft to women.
Obviously, the keys to the continuation of male oriented forums such as this are anonymity and free speech – which is why you go to jail in some parts of Canada for posts such as mine and why the UN and feminists have merged in an attempt to create cyber bullying laws. Opening additional avenues of cultural misandry and male disposability is always the hidden forefront agenda. Every effort will be made to rid internet posters of anonymity and free speech.
Cultural misandry and male disposability have been the mainstays of civilizations for all of recorded history. Thanks to unwitting feminists and the internet, things are changing rapidly for the benefit of men. You need only do three things to become happy and content as a man anymore. (1) Pick your income generation strategy wisely, (2) never give a woman or white knight any level of power over your life and (3) replace the blue pill with the red one. It really is that simple.
Patriarchal Societies – Men are blamed, hated and disposable. Women are privileged.
Matriarchal Societies – Men are blamed, hated and disposable. Women are privileged.
(1) Pick your income generation strategy wisely, (2) never give a woman or white knight any level of power over your life and (3) replace the blue pill with the red one .
I like that you emphasised “white knights” in your excellent comment. In many ways, the more dangerous of the species.
Thanks for the compliment. If ever falsely accused, it’s not the women you have to worry about. Rather, it’s the white knights atop their fiery steeds, racing with swords drawn to be the first to the beheading and the first to gain women’s approval.
It’s not the women demanding the removal of men’s rights to presumption of innocence and due process that one need worry about. It’s the white knights that fall over one another to write “Dear Colleague” memos – negating men’s constitutional rights via anti-male, discriminatory, sexist laws like Title IX – all with the stroke of one powerful mangina’s pen.
I once read that if men were given lighter punishments – punishments equivalent to those given to women for the same crimes – four out of five currently or previously imprisoned men would never have been imprisoned. It just makes sense. When it comes to personal responsibility, accountability and agency – men are held to a far higher standard than women – by both men and women. Why? Because it privileges women over men and keeps men in their place as slaves to the gynocracy.
It is quite disappointing, but it is also true. There is really not much escape… barring some type of MGTOW-land (which has a near impossibility of happening), the only realistic way for men to go their own way is to understand when a country begins showing its decline and then heading away somewhere else before the country declines even more. You can see the signs with Western Europe, Canada, the US. Governments typically are going to be expecting more income to come in (taxes) to support the welfare state. With well off societies, it usually results in less children, and when the governments aren’t receiving as much money as they would like, they import cultures, that are not likely to be compatible with their own culture, creating even a faster increase to a decline of a country.
I think MGTOW in the future should probably look for countries to live in that aren’t 3rd world war zones, as well as countries that aren’t closing in on the “end-game” like Western Europe is. I am still thinking of countries that come to mind, but it is hard to list down, as each country has its own issues. The most important thing to do is constantly being aware of your surroundings and knowing when to leave before SHTF. An area might be good right now, but it might not be like that one year from now, 5 years from now, and so on.
Nobody wants a collapse…soft or hard. I like playing Fallout and watching The Walking Dead, but I have no delusions that I would want to live in that world. However, men realize that change will not come without crisis….a crisis that directly hurts women. I don’t want the government to collapse, but I do want it weakened. Smaller government will never return willingly. The welfare state will not shrink of its own accord.
Marriage, a century or so ago, was called ‘slavery’ for women by some. I disagree with the definition. Men were just as bound in their roles as provider, however they had the right to keep their children and wealth. Now, men have nothing but obligations. Divorce is slavery for men. Real slavery. Indentured servitude and the loss of his children. Women are fine with this.
Women don’t have the power to enslave men by themselves. Police, courts, lawyers, etc. give women this power. Women shrieked and men chose to enslave themselves just to get them to shut up….but they will NEVER shut up. It will continue to get worse until it can’t go on.
It is a great time to be MGTOW. However, there are so many converging trends, it’s hard to conceive that things can just go on like this much longer. Collapse may come regardless of if we wish it or not. Hopefully some lessons can be learned…probably not.
The Ancients understood female nature and their destructive inclinations very well, unlike most men today.
From the ancient Roman senator and historian, Cato the Censor (234 – 149 B.C.), in 215 B.C.:
“Recollect all the institutions respecting the sex, by which our forefathers restrained their profligacy and subjected them to their husbands; and yet, even with the help of all these restrictions, they can scarcely be kept within bounds. If, then, you suffer them to throw these off one by one, to tear them all asunder, and, at last, to be set on an equal footing with yourselves, can you imagine that they will be any longer tolerable? Suffer them once to arrive at an equality with you, and they will from that moment become your superiors.”
“Our ancestors thought it not proper that women should perform any, even private business, without a director; but that they should be ever under the control of parents, brothers, or husbands.”
“If the law ceases to limit the expenses of your wife, you yourself will never be able to limit them.”
“Be assured that when a woman once begins to be ashamed of what she ought not to be ashamed of, she will not be ashamed of what she ought.”
http://www.bartleby.com/268/2/3.html
All I know is that as selfish as it sounds, I just need things like welfare(I’m on a Disability Support Pension) to exist at least until I die(Which is most likely in about 20 years at most(and that’s being optimistic)) cos I know if society collapses, my remaining life-span will be measured in weeks not years.
soo people with guns should *force* us to pay for you? youre not my responsibility, regardless of gender. Remember, that type of entitled thinking got us here in the first place
“However, there are so many converging trends, it’s hard to conceive that things can just go on like this much longer. Collapse may come regardless of if we wish it or not.”
And I believe mgtow should be trying to prevent, even though we are also trying to just go our own way.