A Rejection of The MGTOW “Manifesto”

Comments (44)
  1. Martin says:

    This can’t be for real. If it is it will be used to smear the whole concept. If it is not it will be used to smear the whole concept. *sigh*

    1. Max Hydrogen says:

      Why is that a surprize? That’s the point of MGTOW: we have to “defend” ourselves to any spectators like the MRM. Being smeared was always inevitable but so what if media consumers think one thing or another of MGTOW? It doesn’t depend on popularity or social approval; that’s why we’re MGTOW: we make changes in OUR OWN lives because that’s the only place we they can happen.

      Trying to appear acceptable to outsiders is useless so let them lie.

      1. Qbeck01 says:

        We have to reach other men with the basic information of MGTOW in order to save them from a lot of grief. If we are so demonized in the media or general public then no one will ever hear us out or bother to see past the lies.

  2. tamerlame says:

    “Feminine qualities we want from women:
    – Nurturing
    – Supportive
    – Responsibility
    – Respectfulness
    – Honesty”

    these are not feminine qualities. In fact women are feerer than ever before, so how woman are behaving right now are their true natures, we have the most feminine women ever, it is called feminism after all.

    Looks like the MGTOW manifesto writers were suffering from the women are wonderful effect.

  3. Ob says:

    Just one remark to show how dangerous that site is:

    The author manipulated the publication dates of his articles to make his blog pretend like if it had been published from 2001.

    In some article dated from 2001 he speaks about something he read in 2006 so back to the future.

    MGTOW is growing and swindler are out there to take their share. I hope the MGTOW phenomenon won’t be catch by any political party or corrupted by by the flow of bad guys.

    1. Good find. I saw that he had a version of the manifesto on his site dated 2001, which was three years earlier than what I previously heard.

    2. Jeb says:

      Actually, that author merely dated the manifesto to “order it” in sequence in his blog… if you cared to look, the manifesto itself is dated, and unaltered in its publication.

      1. Jeb says:

        Btw, what on EARTH makes you think that “masculinity” means Trad-con? Isn’t that a huge leap? Aren’t you simply piling on your own preconceived notions? Jeez!

  4. Crimsonsil says:

    This manifesto is like the pest that will not die. Whenever someone who knows nothing about mgtow starts trying to explain to others who know nothing about mgtow it inevitably gets dragged out.

  5. Max Hydrogen says:

    Who cares? Those who are capable of being MGTOW will find out about it anyway and those who would promote this lie are already againt men going there own way; no one can touch us if we don’t make the mistake of entering the arena; remember what happened to the MRM.

    Besides, MGTOW is an acronism that’s works in English but Androcentrism is globally intelligible.

  6. Jessire Nagy says:

    ♂ Those of the trad-con persuasion who want to instill femininity back in females are just unwilling to accept the totality of the truth. They want to keep the truth of female nature as latent as possible, that being: the fact that female nature is actually “macho” – egotistical, animal-like, barbaric, slovenly, impulsive, paraphilia oriented, lack of commitment, self indulgent, volatile, etc.. ♂

  7. Plasma Mongoose says:

    Modern MGTOWs abandoned that old Manifesto as it became clearer that reverting to the traditional roles wouldn’t truly do men any favours, especially with how society and its laws are these days, plus the fact that eliminating feminism wouldn’t ‘cure’ women as it’s just one aspect of their natural natures.

  8. shmiggen says:

    how about revising that manifesto, bar? I don’t mean writing another manifesto, just writing down what precisely mgtow means – today. It would be a cool blog post. We have the 2004 manifesto; we need a 2015 revision.

    1. tim says:



      1. shmiggen says:

        hi there, ALL CAPS, how is asperger’s treating you?

    2. Class-Punk says:

      Someone said you were the guy who doxxed Stardusk and Bar Bar, I can’t remember who it was who suggested it or I would honestly type their name, I’m just wondering if that’s true.

      1. From what I understood it was Aaron Clarey who did the doxxing.

      2. shmiggen says:

        No, I didn’t doxx Stardusk or Bar Bar. I did write that Bar Bar is from New York and mixed race, though. I don’t consider it doxxing, but there it is, what are you going to do? If some call that doxxing, so be it. Just so you know, I’ve been around since 2008. I remember when both Stardusk and Bar Bar uploaded videos with the camera filming them, that’s why I know what they look like. Bar Bar never did it very often, but Stardusk did it for about two years. I don’t know the real names of these gentlemen, I just know what they look like. But let me say this: in my mind doxxing must include revealing a person’s name, and that is something I have never done, nor will ever do.

    3. John lord says:

      Hey, look who it is. It’s the doxxer .

  9. Tim says:

    MGTOW are the greatest thing since sliced bread, fire and the wheel! MGTOW WILL ALTER SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT! The globe over, marriage rates are plummeting, which is pissing off feminists, the pope, white knights, manginas, tradcons, liberals and supremacists alike. MGTOW is being attacked by everyone! Never before has there been a mindset that so effectively called out and shredded people’s ideas of what is acceptable and “normal” healthy behavior for men. People, both men and women alike, hate MGTOW because it’s anti-gynocentric, anti-hypergynocentric (anti-feminist) and anti-white knight/captain-save-a-ho!


    MGTOWs most striking characteristic is that MGTOW DO NOT WANT MEN TO BE RETURNED TO THE PLANTATION. MGTOW are not fighting for a better seat at the slave table for themselves, but rather leaving the slave table all together! THAT IS REMARKABLE! MGTOW have completely upset the apple cart!

    Women walked away from their traditional roles. What did they think men were going to do? Wait indefinitely for women to change their minds? What happened is what you see going on in this thread and threads the glove over: men waking up and realizing that de-prioritizing women in their lives is really the best mindset for men to have. You see men realizing that giving a woman legal, financial, social, physical, spiritual or psychological power in their lives is the #1 mistake a man can make. The #1 way in which women gain the power to destroy men’s lives is through marriage and false accusations.

    Thank you MGTOW! You are truly saving men’s lives!

    1. Fidelbogen says:

      The MGTOW sectarians as we presently know them, are a pack of angry, rat-faced fanatics who cannot genuinely HEAR what other people are saying. They can hear only their own voices, and damn. . . they NEVER shut up long enough for anybody else to get a word in edgewise.

      They sure are full of themselves, these rat-faced sectarians!

      1. barbarossaa says:

        Lol Fuck off fidelbogen, YOU don’t shut up long enough amidst your nonsensical circular ranting, about your obsession with the minutia of feminism to hear what MGTOW have been saying for a long time, go back to spouting your psuedo-philisophical garbage elsewhere. perhaps that silly little blog you had.

          1. barbarossaa says:

            Lol. You describe this dumbass fidelbogen pretty accurately there haha.

      2. YouTubeandGoogleSuck says:

        Everything was going fine and then Fidlebogan shows up.

  10. Fidelbogen says:

    Oh, and it’s perfectly fine to reject the original 2004 MGTOW mission statement if you wish — and then reinvent MGTOW from the ground up. Not a problem. Go for it!

    However. . .

    Keep in mind that you have set a precedent by your action, that ANYBODY may, in principle, come along and “reinvent” MGTOW any time they please. Needless to say, that means they are free to discard any manifesto that YOU might have written, and start from scratch.

    Since you have granted yourself that license originally, you have granted it to anybody. Yes, anybody who comes along later is entitled to practice that license upon you too — and you will have no ground from which to oppose them.

    If nobody’s foundational traditions are sacred. . . . then guess what?


    In other words, the “MGTOW” concept is totally up for grabs. Nobody owns it.

    What the hell. Works for me. 😉

    It’s sorta like. . . I dunno. . . . like MGTOW itself is continually going its own way.

    1. shmiggen says:

      the thing that gets me is how u guys at avfm tried to get in on the mgtow action only after u saw it grow on youtube. dude, I was there, been there since 2008. mgtow was growing, and then suddenly around 2011, (years after the hard work of various youtube mgtows) avfm decides it is mgtow central, lol. funny, isn’t it? what a coincidence!

    2. blackgnostic says:

      MGTOW is something that is still changing. Like any other social instrument it is always defined by the users of it. Get with the community or go away and do your own thing…

    3. Rottn_Broccoli says:

      “Keep in mind that you have set a precedent by your action, that ANYBODY may, in principle, come along and “reinvent” MGTOW any time they please. Needless to say, that means they are free to discard any manifesto that YOU might have written, and start from scratch.

      Since you have granted yourself that license originally, you have granted it to anybody. Yes, anybody who comes along later is entitled to practice that license upon you too — and you will have no ground from which to oppose them. ”

      I don’t know why that’s a problem. Who wants to write a manifesto anyway? I guess this is only a concern to people who want to tell others how to live. I’m afraid those people aren’t really welcome in the MGTOW community. Hence, people like Clarey, Aurini and Forney get so upset about MGTOW. They can’t control them, so they hate them.

  11. barbarossaa says:

    “Oh, and it’s perfectly fine to reject the original 2004 MGTOW mission statement if you wish — and then reinvent MGTOW from the ground up. Not a problem. Go for it!

    However. . .”

    Sure, thats what MGTOW have essentially already done, nobody thinks back to that silly manifesto when they think of mgtow except clowns like you.

    “Keep in mind that you have set a precedent by your action, that ANYBODY may, in principle, come along and “reinvent” MGTOW any time they please. Needless to say, that means they are free to discard any manifesto that YOU might have written, and start from scratch.

    Since you have granted yourself that license originally, you have granted it to anybody. Yes, anybody who comes along later is entitled to practice that license upon you too — and you will have no ground from which to oppose them.”

    This can literally be said about anything, yes mgtow is an evolving thing, and yes people put forth ideas to support the evolving concept, thus if people put forth a better idea than say, this retarded manifesto or the compatibility of mgtow and marriage, and it is widely received and accepted by large portions of mgtow, it has successfully changed what mgtow is about, those wishing to change it further would have to put forth better ideas and concepts, something that those supporting marriage or this manifesto have failed to do as far as i’m concerned.

    The rest of your post consist of your usual sloganeering drivel…

  12. Tim says:

    The women’s movement: (1) The destruction of the patriarchy, (2) freeing women from the slavery of marriage and (3) the sexual liberation of women.

    Destruction of the patriarchy: Destroy men’s power and wealth and transfer that wealth and power to women – through force of law – not through merit or earning (aka, legalized theft).

    Marxism: The forced transfer of wealth and power from those that earned it to those that didn’t.

    Feminism: The wildly successful practice of capitalizing on the weak minds of manginas, captain-save-a-hos and white knights (the hole chasing patriarchy) leading to the destruction of the male gender and the incarnation of a monolithic, all powerful matriarchy.

    VAWA, Title IX, Yes Means Yes, No-Fault Divorce, Child Support, Alimony, SNAP, WIC, Social Security and most all social programs are merely anti-male, patriarchy destroying weapons that were demanded by the gynocracy and granted by the naive, gullible white knights.

    There’s no patriarchy to destroy. There never was. Women hold most of the world’s wealth. Don’t believe me? Tiger’s X made 200 million whoring herself out for a few years. There are other stories as equally humiliating for men when it comes to wealth transfer through divorce. It’s as if women feel they’re worth half of whatever a man makes – even if the value they added was worth the price of a hooker, a baby sitter and a foreign born, non-english speaking, skilless maid. It ain’t rocket science to steal a man’s wealth – instead, it’s legalized extortion and blackmail (aka – marriage). Countless billions have been transferred from men to women via divorce alone. Add in all of the stressed out husbands dying early deaths (most of them) and it’s not hard to see why women end up with all of the money (alimony – ripped off from Williams). Marriage automatically grants women the assets of men upon the man’s death – hence the made up, cherry picked statistics that are used to convince men to get married (just like 1 in 5 women are raped). Men die earlier than women. See how that works out? Is it any wonder prostitution is the oldest profession?

    The MGTOW mindset allows for a new path for men. What’s that path? DON’T BE THE MORON YOUR FATHER WAS! Don’t get married AND instead of leaving your wealth to a greedy shrew awaiting your untimely demise, leave it to your mother, son or a man’s charity. Leave your wealth to a woman and you end up with the Kardashians and Hiltons.

    Your value in this world, as a man, is worth way, way more than a woman’s. Your gullibility and naiveté are two of your greatest gifts and two or your worst enemies. Each can be used for the greater good or be used in a fashion that destroys men at the behest of feminine pathological narcissism and sociopathy. Women have skillfully and masterfully manipulated men for centuries into making fools of themselves for women. That time is thankfully nearing its end – and it’s all thanks to MGTOW.

    Next on the chopping block of femininity? Removing men’s rights to presumption of innocence and due process. This one is big. Women will soon have the power to expel men from college on the mere accusation of sexual assault and/or rape alone. There’s no way the Safe Campus Act will pass. The chances of its passage is rated at 17%. What does that mean? It means the ability of women to send men into poverty on a mere accusation will be enshrined in VAWA. Who passed VAWA? The naïve, white knights of the patriarchy. In other words, if you won’t marry them after sex and after they’ve dubbed you worthy of their golden V – and transfer your wealth to them like your father did through his early death – then they’ll damn you into low wage hades through a false accusation.

    There’s a reason why prostitution is the oldest profession.

  13. Peter Wright says:

    While I agree the manifesto is a joke in regards of “instilling” masculinity in men and femininity in women, there’s no doubt that it was an important forerunner even i it has been rightly surpassed.

    I remember reading one of the early versions of the Manifesto and it had this paragraph, which is helpful to appreciating it as a forerunner:

    “MGTOW is not a philosophy, or an “-ism”, but rather an evolving consciousness and way of looking at the world. Unlike the lockstep and dogma of so many contemporary movements, MGTOW is entirely individualistic, even though many men may arrive at the same conclusions from having observed the same phenomena.”

    Get that – an evolving consciousness. And evolve MGTOW has – so no problem in my book.

    1. shmiggen says:

      are you some kind of troll? what exactly is your contribution to mgtow, beyond that uttterly useless book you and Elam wrote as a shameless desire to catch a piece of mgtow action?

      1. I found Peter’s site,, very useful before the book was published. I wouldn’t extend the guilt of Paul Elam to Peter by association. He’s done some good work, and I can see how when the book was planned (e.g. right around the first conference) AVfM and Paul would have seemed like a good group of people to work with.

  14. I find it funny how the people who bring up this manifesto are often the same people who like to go around calling MGTOW a cult.

    On the one hand, they’ll demand that everyone who identifies with MGTOW must rigidly adhere to the ideological edicts of a manifesto (which is apparently not at all cult-like), yet on the other hand, they’ll try to make out that anyone who even slightly rejects the notion of getting married in the 21st century is somehow a zealous cultist.

    The irony should be lost on no one.

  15. manurespherians like dean esmay, jack don-0-van, chuck crudd and clarence in baltimore will not like this one bit…

  16. I forget which video it was, but RBK had this nice way of putting why you should never trust someone with a manifesto (like the Unabomber, Elliot Rodger, etc) and if you’re thinking about writing a manifesto you should probably stop whatever you’re doing.

    I really miss RBK when he’s gone this long. Sometimes I think he looks at my videos and is like “I’m not coming back when my fanboys are lunatics like Dick Wheybrew that wear plastic bags on their heads.”

    But there’s no paper bags that fit well. :/

    1. FYI that video was “rapalicious female voids” and the rant about manifestos starts around 34 mins and 20 seconds.

      I really wish all of RBKs text to speech was searchable.

  17. I took one look at this this ‘manifesto’ and judged it as nothing more than tradcon drivel flying under the flag of MGTOW. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. I don’t know who, but whoever did it surely should have known it would be widely rejected by MGTOW men.

    At best, I think it’s tradcon drivel at worse I think it may be a feminist false flag so it can be pulled up and try to straw man MGTOW men.

    1. Sociopathic Revelation says:

      The manifesto was “legit” in the sense that the people involved wanted those goals.

      Good intentions or not, if they do not ultimately benefit individual men, they need to be seriously questioned, placed under critical examination, and (if needed) discarded and held with contempt.

      Unfortunately, the basic aims of the manifesto are highly unrealistic in this state of affairs. If not impossible at this point. I wasn’t present at the time of its alleged drafting, but I can tell everyone here that I was damning of traditionalism AND feminism at the same time.

      Yeah, I was one of those men on Nice Guy’s forum . . . before youtube MGTOW took off.

      And by the way, if anyone thinks that tradcons like Davis MJ Aurini was one of us then, he’s not. He’s lying, which is typical of Davis.

      I’ve stated it on Nice Guy’s forums several times over the years—Western women benefit from both traditionalism and feminism, and they will oscillate between the two as they see fit. As the way our society operates, both are inherently gynocentric. It’s amazing how the tradcons act as if they understand this, but they either don’t or refuse to acknowledge that fact.

      A man truly going his own way will eventually reject something that doesn’t contain his best interest in mind. This includes a manifesto written up by others, regardless of its overt or latent intent. And this includes the nonsense of “traditional” thought as well as feminism.

      Paul Elam’s video mocking “Pig-tows” was the nail in the coffin concerning this issue. MGTOW has taken a life its own despite so many hacks wishing to capitalize on it and exploit men. We are blasted as being just like feminists, and yet they are using the same very tactics against us.

      It’s not working . . . and I—for one—relish seeing this.

      Men are finally waking up to their own worth and valuing their lives as opposed to the dictates of others. But there are going to be many other battles from more than one side in future, make no mistake about it.

  18. Kong says:

    I’m rejecting that shit too.

    Like you say, barb it’s an attempt to return to the good old days where men worked their asses of as disposable drones for companies and governments while the women sat at home doing nothing. It’s trying to reestablish gender roles that served men no benefit whatsoever.

    I see Bern Chapin just made a video about you on this, he has failed again to understand anything about mgtow, human nature and what feminism really is.

  19. The Plague Doctor says:

    The new and improved MGTOW MAN-ifesto 2.0 is the speech from Atlas Shrugged:

    “You have heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis. You have said it yourself, half in fear, half in hope that the words had no meaning. You have cried that man’s sins are destroying the world and you have cursed human nature for its unwillingness to practice the virtues you demanded. Since virtue, to you, consists of sacrifice, you have demanded more sacrifices at every successive disaster. In the name of a return to morality, you have sacrificed all those evils which you held as the cause of your plight. You have sacrificed justice to mercy. You have sacrificed independence to unity. You have sacrificed reason to faith. You have sacrificed wealth to need. You have sacrificed self-esteem to self-denial. You have sacrificed happiness to duty.
    “You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins, it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection. You have fought for it, you have dreamed of it, and you have wished it, and I-I am the man who has granted you your wish.
    “Your ideal had an implacable enemy, which your code of morality was designed to destroy. I have withdrawn that enemy. I have taken it out of your way and out of your reach. I have removed the source of all those evils you were sacrificing one by one. I have ended your battle. I have stopped your motor. I have deprived your world of man’s mind.
    “Men do not live by the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those who do. The mind is impotent, you say? I have withdrawn those whose mind isn’t. There are values higher than the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those for whom there aren’t.
    “While you were dragging to your sacrificial altars the men of justice, of independence, of reason, of wealth, of self-esteem-I beat you to it, I reached them first. I told them the nature of the game you were playing and the nature of that moral code of yours, which they had been too innocently generous to grasp. I showed them the way to live by another morality-mine. It is mine that they chose to follow.
    “All the men who have vanished, the men you hated, yet dreaded to lose, it is I who have taken them away from you. Do not attempt to find us. We do not choose to be found. Do not cry that it is our duty to serve you. We do not recognize such duty. Do not cry that you need us. We do not consider need a claim. Do not cry that you own us. You don’t. Do not beg us to return. We are on strike, we, the men of the mind.
    “We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one’s happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.
    “There is a difference between our strike and all those you’ve practiced for centuries: our strike consists, not of making demands, but of granting them. We are evil, according to your morality. We have chosen not to harm you any longer. We are useless, according to your economics. We have chosen not to exploit you any longer. We are dangerous and to be shackled, according to your politics. We have chosen not to endanger you, nor to wear the shackles any longer. We are only an illusion, according to your philosophy. We have chosen not to blind you any longer and have left you free to face reality-the reality you wanted, the world as you see it now, a world without mind.
    “We have granted you everything you demanded of us, we who had always been the givers, but have only now understood it. We have no demands to present to you, no terms to bargain about, no compromise to reach. You have nothing to offer us. We do not need you.
    “Are you now crying: No, this was not what you wanted? A mindless world of ruins was not your goal? You did not want us to leave you? You moral cannibals, I know that you’ve always known what it was that you wanted. But your game is up, because now we know it, too.”

  20. Cy says:

    I’m just going to come right out and say it. Barbarossa is the reason why MGTOW has reached the popularity it has. The Youtube MGTOW community comprises the best and worst MGTOW content on the internet. youtube is the spot for MGTOW content and Barbarossa was the man who got the entire ball rolling. Without Barbarossa there would be no Stardusk, Spetsnaz, niko chomsky, CS MGTOW, Coltaine, etc.

    The manifesto and the clowns who created it can only be credited for coined the acronym MGTOW. The actual content, male-mother need, gynocentrism, Briffault’s law, hypergamy, the artificial womb. This was all Barbarossa who got the ball rolling. Stardusk has contributed heavily to the quest for knowledge and understanding that to me comprises the greatest aspect of MGTOW. That being said without Barbarossa there is no Stardusk.


  21. The Plague Doctor says:

    Check out this important post on Reddit, about the true MGTOW manifesto:

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