In hopes of providing documented evidence in opposition to those who claim that the solution for a men’s rights movement is to simply “vote conservative” in hopes that the government will remove it’s heavy hand off the backs of men and stop funneling resources from men to women via taxation and safety nets that only women get to enjoy, I would like to catalogue an exchange in the most recent republican presidential debate, primarily between front runner Donald Trump, Jeb bush and Carly Fiorana. I will first document exactly what was said in the debate which I will post below and direct you to a timestamp of about 51:50.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8sEy7DJIZQ
The exchange starts with the moderator posing a question to Jeb bush, I will add commentary and emphasis where appropriate.
Moderator: Governor Bush you said while discussing planned parenthood;
“You’re not sure we need a half-billion dollars for women’s health issues”
Now, you’ve since said that you misspoke that you didn’t mean women’s health issues but Donald Trump said, that quote, that comment — which Hillary Clinton did seize upon immediately– will “haunt you the same way Mitt Romney’s 47% video will haunt him”. Tell Donald Trump why he’s wrong.
Bush answered the question as follows:
Bush: Well he’s (Trump) wrong on a lot of things but on this topic he’s wrong because I’m the most pro life governor on this stage. I got to act on my core beliefs, it’s part of who I am. Life is a gift from god and from the beginning to the end we need to respect it and err on the side of life, and so I defunded planned parenthood, we created a climate where parental notification took place. We were the only state to fund crisis pregnancy centers with state monies, we were totally focused on this and we would bring that kind of philosophy to Washington D.C., so here’s solution to this, title ten of the HHS funding, there’s something that was called the Reagan rule, it was passed in 1988, and in that rule it was defined and the courts approved this, that a planned parenthood…you couldn’t separate the money between the actual abortion procedures and there are 330,000 abortions that take place in this clinic and their promotion of it. He interpreted it the right way, the courts ruled in his favor and planned parenthood did not get funding during that time until president clinton came in. When I’m elected president we will restore that interpretation of title ten and this deal will be finished.
A bit of background is appropriate here, what Bush is referencing is the 1988 Reagan rule that instituted an extended set of prohibitions regarding abortion funding stating that no organization which promoted abortion would receive any federal funding specifically with regard to Title X funds.
At this point after Jeb had finished his rebut to Trump the moderator then returned to Trump and asked him;
Moderator: The quote was; I’m not sure we need a half-billion dollars for women’s health issues… he said he misspoke, you said that that’s going to haunt him, why do you think that?
Trump responded by saying:
Trump: I think it’s a terrible statement, I think it’s going to haunt him absolutely, he came back later and he said he misspoke, there was no question because I heard when he said the statement I was watching and he said the statement and I said wow, I can’t believe it, I will take care of women, I respect women, I will take care of women, one thing I will say and..i would like to get back to the Iran question…
At this point Trump goes on a segue regarding Iran and North Korea, it is completely unrelated to the topic of republican gynocentrism so I will leave it out. But isn’t that interesting?, Trump, the front runner for the republican nomination, and by virtue of this, a potential president of the United States of America, is expressing shock and outrage that a contender would insinuate that we do not need exorbitant amounts of money to be earmarked for women’s health. He then went as far as to claim that he will “take care” of women, and that he “respects them”. It is the classic stance of the trad-con gynocentrist, that which affixes “respect” for women with “taking care” of them, because of course the belief is that they cannot and should not take care of themselves. Absent from the conversation of course is whether or not men need any taking care of, what with their higher suicide rates, and that pesky incidence of prostate cancer etc. In the utopian vision of the conservative right, men are expected to take care of themselves, and if they don’t the last thing they will get is respect from anyone…women, of course incur no such burden.
At this point bush responds.
Bush: There are 13,000 community based organizations that provide health services to women, 13,000 in this country, I don’t believe that planned parenthood should get a penny from the federal government. Those organizations should get funding, just as I increased funding when I was governor of the state, That’s the way you do this is you improve the conditions for people and Donald when I was governor, we also increased the opportunities for women, women’s income grew three times faster than the national average when I was governor…
At this point trump interrupts bush numerous times and states
Trump: So why did you you say it?
Bush then states;
Bush: we increased child support for a broken system by 90%
Trump interrupted again saying:
Trump: You said you were going to cut funding for women’s health…
Over Trumps voice, Bush ended the exchange simply by insisting;
Bush: I have a proven record.
At this point candidate Scott Walker briefly inserts a small amount of commentary on the issue of defunding planned parenthood, after which the announcer chimes in and asks the only female candidate, Carly Fiorina about her reaction to Donald Trumps quotes about her appearance which are given below:
Trump: “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?! I mean, she’s a woman, and I’m not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?”
Fiorina responded by stating the following;
Fiorina: “I think women all over this country heard very clearly what Mr. Trump said,”
At this point the audience, and from what it sounded like, mostly women erupted in thunderous applause.
Trump meekly offered the following in response:
Trump “I think she’s got a beautiful face and she’s a beautiful woman.”
We are led to believe by many in the men’s rights community that women only practice identity politics via the left, but I think the thunderous applause she received is a harbinger of things to come. No political party, republicans and democrats alike can afford to alienate women, and I feel we are beginning to see the inklings of what will become an astounding amount of deference paid to women by conservative candidates and politicians. A few days after the debate trump spoke at a local Iowa high-school homecoming where he was quoted as saying that women are “far superior to men”
Brilliant take Bar Bar…looking forward to your book. After it gets published I want you to do an exposé on Fiorina (I think she is very likely to be the nominee as most antiTrumpsters will vote for her)..and in many regards she could be more dangerous than Hillary although they are both Fabian Socialists/Progressives. Fiorina is no TradCon but I expect her to use this rhetoric.
There was a recent post in ZeroHedge that she is the Wall Street/MIC poodle as these groups think Trump isn’t enough of a bloodthirsty jingoist and may actually reign in the banksters. Although I don’t think that is likely either as Trump hasn’t given any specifics and has tried to be all things to all people. He even paid lip-service to libertarians saying they have lots of good ideas (but of course he is against Snowden).
Keep up the good work and I say this as an AnCap –> thank you for not pandering to the Right small govt. MGTOWs with cookie-cutter platitudes like the rest of the manosphere, if it wasn’t for you lots of current Statist and Collectivist MGTOWs would be still plugged in becoming fodder for the gynocentric machine.
What has Snowden to do with anything?
Libertarians are pro amnesty for Snowden and see him as a hero (although he was a democrat) so Trump is talking from both sides of his mouth.
Never saw a libertarian demanding amnesty for snowden.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/198325-ron-paul-launches-clemency-for-snowden-petititon
Now this old coot went full retarted.
Thank you for not indulging in name-calling and keeping it civil.
Fighting to reduce the funds given to women is a lost battle but fighting to get men benefit for all care programs that women enjoy is something that can be achieved.
But that fight takes place in the court system not in the elections.
He has to say that.
You are basically married to all the horrible, self entitled women in America when your running for president this time. If you don’t announce that women are better than men you are a misogynistic pig and there goes all your votes. This is the world we live in now boys, emotion “Trumps” law and basic male rights.
There is no freedom of speech. Not even for the presidential candidates so long as it’s run by a double standard, double cream filled cuntriarchy with male tear sprinkles on top. Everything men do is sexist towards women and that’s why men need to stop caring about women’s feelings in this presidential election!. They stopped caring about us a “millennial” ago when the jumped on the feminist bandwagon and that includes all the white knight/mangina sell outs.
I’m 25 years old. Common sense sense says women need self discipline more than high calorie carrots right now (our dicks obviously). If someone can’t discipline themselves enough to be honest in a democracy then you have to starve them out until they tell the truth. By this I mean that men need to go their own way and leave women to fend for themselves. No more defending women via instinct just to get laid. No more swooping in to save SJW’s that major in women’s studies just because they can’t defend themselves against irrefutable logic. And certainly no votes for the lesbian, SEXIST Hillary Clinton who claims to make things even better for our buttered up women of the USA.
Stay vigilant brothers.
You want to fight an uphill battle against nature with less then zero chance for success? As soon you seriously follow your own thoughts telling you “we all should…”, you should get your head examined. Stop focusing on everyone else and finaly start working on yourself.
Even if they cut down on welfare for women, they will increase the payments from individual men to women. The gravy train will go on in the US, be it through taxes or alimony/child support/palimony.
I have very little hope that something will improve in America for men anytime soon. With a bit of luck in Europe things might change at least a bit. The fiscal crisis demands that women also work more and pay more taxes. The OECD and the EU have both said this.
If I was American I would hope for a return of the Dollar and Banking crisis. The only hope for men.
This just tells me that Trump really is serious about running for POTUS. As the previous election cycles showed, it’s just one big big contest between two dorks over who can perform and pander to women better. Take the Obama/Romney contest. The group that gave Obama the edge? Single White Women AKA Julia.
Women are superior to men.
After all these years of men sacrificing their lives, women run the country.
I have great respect for women. Everyone knows women are cherished.
Men are lucky that they’ve been carried by women.
Holy shit dude, do NOT post violent comments like that i dont want it here.
Great anti-gynocentric vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg-ivWxy5KE
Wealthy male politicians are throwing men under the bus to gain the vote of the majority gender. SHOCKER! Surprise, surprise, surprise. That’s never happened before.
Trump is a billionaire. Just how many blow jobs do you think he’ll get in the ovum office before Bill blushes? Three? A hundred?
How good it must be to be a rich guy – when all you have to do to get pussy is destroy the lives of many millions of other men to have your own sperm bank (AKA – Chelsea).
Men are the minority. It’s high time we arm ourselves (with real guns and bullets) and enter into bloody, flesh ripping, armed combat oriented tactics with our oppressors. Who are our oppressors?
Women, Obama, Clinton and Trump.
Tim… get a grip. That kind of shit belongs with conspiratard tradcons with delusions of grandeur.
lol don’t hurt anyone dude
FOR ONCE, LET US HATE THE MATRIARCHY.
FOR ONCE, LET US DESTROY THE MATRIARCHY.
FOR ONCE, LET THE STRIPPING OF WEALTH AND DIGNITY OF WOMEN BE THE EMPOWERMENT OF MEN.
FOR ONCE, LET ALL BAD THINGS BE THE FAULT OF WOMEN.
CULTURAL MISANDRY HAS TRUMPED ALL LEVELS OF ANY POTENTIAL MISOGYNY FOR CENTURIES. THE ONLY THING KEEPING MOST MEN FROM ERUPTING IN MASS CIVIL DISORDER IS THEIR INHERENT GULLIBILITY AND NAIVETE. COMPARED TO WOMEN – MEN ARE MORONS.
WHY DO WOMEN WANT YOU TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE? WHY DO WOMEN LOVE DESTROYING MEN FOR THEIR OWN GAIN?
THAT’S HOW CON GAMES WORK. WOMEN ONLY WIN WHEN MEN DECIDE TO THROW OTHER MEN UNDER THE BUS; HENCE WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND GEORGE W BUSH.
HOPE AND CHANGE
Jesus Tim give it a rest, you sound like a lunatic.
Well it’s gonna come down to him or Chairmen Hillery *cough mao*
Hail Hiller everyone
Women are such hypocrites. They avoid working outside the home until working outside the home isn’t an early death sentence and then blame men for women not working outside the home. The EVIL PATRIARCHY!
Women have drunk sex and then blame their shameful, drunken whoring on men, even if the guy in question was mostly unconscious during the event. Takes a whore.
Women are terrible at representing truth or fairness – cause they don’t really want a level playing field. What women really want is a playing field that works out most often in their favor – especially when that involves men mostly losing.
Hence MGTOW – my brothers.
Phuck women’s wants and/or needs. Let them fen for themselves. The whole lot of you could join a mass lesbian cabal and I wouldn’t give two hymens.
How many feminists voraciously blogged against clearly misandric posts by other feminists the way they took down these two poor coffee shop guys? I’m betting zero – and I won’t be the only one to notice. Bunch of ball busters women are. Shameless whores the lot.
Why won’t women just admit they hate men? The whole world of “real men” thinks women are a bunch of gynocentric fools. The white knights and caption-save-a-hos are licking their chops. I personally feel that each one of you “ladies” should blow the dust off of your fatginas and piss off. Buy a vibrating dildo and leave those coffee shop guys to their realization of who you really are – man hating whores.
Let’s make Futrelle’s job super, duper easy:
One upon a time, a prince proposed to a princess. The princess refused, the prince lived happily ever after. The end.
The women’s movement was about the DESTRUCTION OF THE PATRIARCHY, THE SEXUAL LIBERATION OF WOMEN, AND THE FREEING OF WOMEN FROM THE SLAVERY OF MARRIAGE.
The easier Futrelle’s job gets, the better it gets for men.
All of gynocentric and white knight brainwashing is meant to make your life sheer hell unless you bow on bended knee to the poody.
MGTOW exist because phuch tard white knights, captain save-a-hos and manginas exist.
Women don’t care about men. Women care about what men can provide to women – and that’s it.
Have you heard of the movement amongst women to marry men with fewer monetary resources and wealth than themselves? I thought not.
Over here we have elections coming soon and I’m not excited about our plethora of parties/candidates. It’s either the conservative restrictive right or the shitload of left wing parties that are fundamentality all the same. The gynocentrism is, as expected, evenly spread across the board, left to right in a smooth shiny coat.
Regarding the U.S. presidential election, I do not envy you at all. Whether you get stuck with Trump or Hillary, it is a shit sandwich either way. With Clinton the U.S. would become a complete nightmare for men, and with Trump, well I have the feeling that he might turn out to be the warmongering type, and we all know who gets sent to the frontlines to die.
More should be as insightful as you. The world is lucky that you’re in it.
Women seek out less fortunate men to marry.
Women hope for less financially secure men.
Women hope for men that bring nothing to the table in terms of wealth and power. Women wish to provide for men.
Ever wonder why Hillary stuck by Bill, the President of the United States of America, that got his cock sucked in the Ovum Office – and not a liberal said boo?
This is MGTOW music 101, my MGTOW brothers. Pay careful attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg-ivWxy5KE
Your about to have a dream – and not just any dream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sQEb9TSACY
https://www.quora.com/What-is-Carly-Fiorina-s-legacy-reputation-as-the-CEO-of-HP
here is a interesting piece of information of carly fiorina
and here is an example of what someone has wrote
“I was an intern at HP when she came to visit our campus. On that campus, we had a walkway that connected our 12 buildings. We called it “the spine.” I heard from my manager that she wanted to “walk the spine” and have everybody line up to cheer for her as she walked around the spine. I was encouraged to make a sign.
I was appalled to say the least. We had a large campus of around 7,000 employees. At an estimate of $50/hr salary per person, that’s a cost of $350,000 to throw herself a 1 hr parade. And that does not account for the time people spent making signs, or for the private helicopter ride she took from the airport to our campus.”
The reason I think like and would vote for Trump if i lived in the USA regardless of this is that he is moving the Overton Window on a lot of things, he is making it much more plausible to discuss REAL issues on a big platform that reaches huge audiences of people who will hear what someone with the balls to say will say. Baby steps. The thing is he doesn’t seem to want to make things worse for men, at the least.
Some of the things he wants to do are things that MUST be done if civilization is to survive–need more people like him and Nigel Farage. We can’t keep letting emotional manipulation cause the crowding of the 3rd world into the 1st first to transform those countries into third world sewers.
Maybe you don’t care about that. That’s nihilistic. Nihilism is easy to start, but hard to finish. I can almost guarantee though that for most MGTOW, we are young enough that if this stuff continues unchecked the conflict will come to your country in your lifetime and everything you’ve worked for throughout your life will be gone. You may even end up murdered due to this–the situation in Europe keeps getting worse and worse, and North America can’t be too far off.
I find no correlation. I was born in Sweden, spent my first 18 years there before I moved to Norway where I spent my last 18 years and still live. No matter what government we currently have, no matter what colour they claim blue or red, we still live in societies formed by socialdemocrats, what most Americans would call communist. Our system is fubar, but all due respect, your US system is way worse; the day they told us to pay allimony there would be a revolt! This, to me, says all; it’s not a matter of left or right, conservative, liberal or socialist. It’s just a matter of practical politics. And if voting made a difference it would be outlawed…
hahahahahahahaha….
it’s statements like this that make manboobz futrelle’s job easy…
he doesn’t even have to put his own words then a small part of a quote out of context then his own words with a flashing sarcasm button for plausible deniability to make MGTOW’s look bad when there are statements like this on a so-called MGTOW website…
and also creepy Esmay will just say, “ohhhhhh, look at those extremist PigTOW +’s we’ve been warning you about-they are here and we are the good guys”
whatever…