It appears that the PUA/Red pill is experiencing a idealogical civil war, Roosh one of the more well known PUA’s has fired shots at the red pill reddit in hopes of instilling a new concept of manhood which he calls “Neo Masculinity” I’ve posted the video above and will live blog it for fun.
24 seconds in:
Already Roosh has propped himself up as dear leader of the red pill, stating petulantly that he doesn’t know where he comes from, America, Or Armenia? he doesn’t know but he does triumphantly declare that the red pill comes from him!
Hear that noobs? the red pill reddit, all of its derivatives, everyone who’s uttered the term red pill in the manosphere better be thanking dear leader RooshV for his infinite wisdom.
By now Roosh has declared that it was he who inspired the likes of what are arguably the two most prominent PUA voices aside from Roosh, Roissy and Rollo Tomassi. In this claim, it’s very possible he may be correct, and since I’m not well versed in the history of the PUA community I will not comment on this further, but an interesting development has transpired since this silly little drama kicked off, Roosh has apparently now blocked one third of the red pills founding fathers, that is Rollo from his twitter page. Tomassi has apparently mentioned on his own twitter feed that he has been blocked by his friend Roosh and proved it with a screencap.
Very interesting indeed… Im not going to knock roosh for dropping the banhammer on someone, the occasional block is something that Iv’e also employed on my youtube channel, but I use it a last result and only on the most egregious of trolls. This however is not a mere troll, but the PUA who Roosh has admitted in his very own video, to be one of the most influential voices of all time in the red pill community. It would be the equivalent, in the MGTOW community of myself banning Stardusk, or Spetsnaz from ever commenting on my channel again. The phrase Tsk-tsk is all that comes to mind, how very social justice-ey of Roosh. Had it been one of the leftists he loves to bash this would have been a sign of cowardice and censorship, when its done by Roosh himself though, he wants his minions to close their ears and ignore everything they’ve just witnessed.
I guess tricky dick nixon said it best…
When the president does it it’s not illegal.
Roosh begins his descent into cultish self pedastalizing, telling the subscribers of red pill reddit, who are now bashing him and accusing him of being a fraud;
“How can you attack your own father” … “the language that you speak everyday, the improved sex life that you now have, That has my seed written in it” … but its weird to see people who have been so greatly affected, not just by me but men who came from the platforms that i made, all of a sudden forgetting where they came from”
Just…damn. Roosh has descended down from the mountains of the gods, ten commandments in his hands and has found the redpillers dancing around a golden calf, you hear that denizens of the red pill?, tread carefully or Roosh will smite the with the wrath of God. I’m reminded of the first 16 seconds of this scene from the movie adaptation of the cult of Jonestown
“Huh, sounds like dad wants us to have another one of his loyalty tests.”
This entire red pill fracas seems to have been waiting to happen, the success of the red pill reddit has provided a form of intellectual competition to the bigger names in the pua-sphere, and thus the biggest name, arguably Roosh V, has to either embrace the red pill redditors, who dole out better advice then him on a regular basis for free, or attempt to throw them under the bus so that he can capitalize financially off of his interpretation of the red pill, which is, of course, the one true brand of red pill philosophy. The catalyst that sparked this tinderbox seems to be Roosh’s recent appearance on the Dr. Oz show In which Roosh’s performance was assessed by the red pill world as categorically unimpressive. In his encounter with Oz it is almost universally accepted that instead of exuding confidence or charisma, which would have allowed him to as the red pill redditors say “hold his frame” he came off instead as a bumbling, stammering witless failure demonstrating the body language and self control of a socially awkward autistic high school freshman.
Roosh has experienced somewhat of a fall from grace in the red pill community since then and realizing that it is probably impossible to save face, he has decided to cut his losses and outwardly attack the denizens of the red pill reddit in a preemptive attempt to discredit them before more damage is done to his reputation in the game community.
An attempt at social proof, “I show my face, these guys who’re attacking me are just avatars waa!”
This is female thinking, an appeal to popularity because he cannot furnish factual rightness. Not everyone n the Red pill reddit has a website that pays their own bills, some of them have to work for a living and if their bosses ever found out they supported the red pill reddit they would be fired, which means they cant buy his books… better rethink your approach there guy.
“When you have an ideology that is led by the mob, that doesn’t have a captian, it is inevitable to see what you are seeing right now with dozens of comments on the red pill attacking me, as if i attacked them, which i did not.”
He then pauses briefly and looks down contemplatively (oh the drama haha), prefacing what was undoubtedly the most profound part of the video the way it sounded in his head, and announces that he will usher in the new testament of red pilled thought, the new and improved discipline of “Neo-masculinity”.
He then claims In ten years MGTOW will be virtually non existent, relegated to “sexless men”. I’ll now take this moment to show a snapshot of mgtow on google trends.
MGTOW has been growing exponentially for a while now, It’s really getting harder and harder to call us all losers and neckbeards, but folks like Roosh certainly will continue trying. MGTOW isn’t exactly the best thing for a PUA scam artist trying to sell books who foolishly accepts an interview on the show of an Oprah protege, predictably ends up looking stupid as a lone soldier behind enemy lines and hamsters himself into a female minded rationalization fest after the fact when the red pill reddit rightly called him foolish for it.
We get our first description of Neo masculinity at this point, Roosh says that neo masculinity places, in contrast to the red pill, “More importance in tradition, patriarchy, and the nuclear family”
This sound like the beginnings of a man up and marry those sluts message to you gentleman? for those of you evil red pillers and MGTOW who don’t give a shit about tradition, or patriarchy or whatever, I would suggest you reject this horseshit outright. Also Roosh has unilaterally decided that the gays wont be allowed in this neo masculinity just for the record. At this point I couldn’t stomach any more of what I’m sure was more self aggrandizing nonsense from this Roosh fellow. All i can say is is sincerely hope that the red pill reddit sees this clown for who he is.
To some degree it appears this is happening: check out one of the many many comments calling roosh out on the red pill reddit by a gentleman known as red pill shadow:
It is a pathetic attempt to get marketing and ideological control of what he calls neomasculinity.
He also went hard after MGTOW cutting them down to video playing neckbeards who have given up on life. Which makes no sense given the 5 levels of MGTOW ranging from just saying no to marriage to checking out of society completely. His problem with that. He can’t understand half of them or sell them anything.
He wants control. He states so himself “council of elders to guide the ideology”. That is what he wants to be. A beloved leader who everyone looks up to for guidance. Not one voice among many. Sadly he thinks shaming others is the way to go to set himself apart from the plebs.
What he realized is that both MGTOW and redpill lead to the destruction of society (if nothing changes) and he isn’t comfortable with that. Thus he clings to traditionalism which he redubs as neomasculinity. And that ideology doesn’t work if the rest of the men don’t also walk that path. Which is the main difference to redpill and MGTOW, both work without telling others what to do, they focus solely on yourself. The value they hold for society is not even secondary, it isn’t even a factor. One can make arguments that both redpill and MGTOW will lead to a better society by forcing women to change – one can also make arguments that they will lead to a sharp decline and breakdown of society. That uncertainty is something traditionalists cannot handle.
Roosh is in a place where just banging girls isn’t enough anymore, he now wants that unicorn and he needs an ideology which does promise him an unicorn if he just does everything right. A frame which he can control. Even if that frame doesn’t match reality.