This post is a rough continuation of the last post’s concern that the essence of MGTOW knowledge not be lost. It covers two eroding factors: 1. Addiction to novelty (low ideological/philosophical attention span) causing a slipping away 2. The deep attachment to one’s Weltanschauung—a word only Stardusk could love—causing a refusal to let go or even a refusal to just set aside when in a new environment.
1. and 2. being somewhat polar opposites.
Re: 1. Addiction to Novelty
For the seasoned MGHOW, it would seem the Red Pill has lost its magic. Oh, its lessons are still learned, and life is still lived in accordance with its wisdom. But like the basics of nutrition, exercise, and personal finance, it is now just what a smart man does to live a safe, healthy, successful life; sadly it also adds to those pesky obligations and prohibitions of conduct that are executed to the extent that one’s waxing and waning will-power permit. For the seasoned MGHOW, yes, the Red Pill was intense, the changes difficult, the freedom good – but now it is all familiar, and getting – ever so – more familiar. Now what?
Among seasoned MGTOW the facts of life are now well known. After being one of the great mysteries of the universe, female psychology and behavior is now depressingly easy to read and understand. The responsive strategies now familiar. The hidden forces that control men in their need for woman are now (again) familiar – Mangina and White Knight behavior, male-mother need, female validation, woman and family providing purpose and meaning in life, and so on. The dangers of the legal system, pressures of social norms etc. There is a lot to it, but in the end the basic mechanics of the Matrix are a finite study. Now What?
There are posts on MGTOW video forums that lament that the content is familiar and”boring”. “How many times do we have to go over …” “Why do we have to keep talking about …?”
So among the seasoned it seems there is a yearning to make the Red Pill more interesting, To have the content producers come up with “something new”. Why? Because we all have ADHD.
This is the Internet-Age, that is, the Information-Age on steroids. Admit it, you sometimes worry a little bit about all that time you spend on the Internet. Those of you that have had your Internet go down for a few days felt the withdrawal, didn’t you?
The point is that most of us that know our way around a keyboard are information junkies. The bigger point is that our subconscious demands that this information must be novel information. Mass media news – all news – must be new to be news. We keep going back to our favorite MGTOW content producers, often not to refine or review our basic knowledge of male-female psychology, not to seek insights (notice the lack of the adjective “new”), but rather to find out what is new in MGTOW! New insights (emphasis on “new”) fit the bill, but it is actually the newness, the novelty, the entertainment value that is most (though subconsciously) sought. We are all novelty junkies.
So now there is this invisible force to push MGTOW content to new [fill in positive word: “levels”? “horizons”? “discoveries”? “areas of inquiry” etc.] Right now the discovery curve and the learning curve are the same. Yes, there are still undoubtedly undreamed of discoveries the lie in the future, but they may be slow in coming. We may have to quit expecting stimulating novelty from the MGTOW channels – at least of the form of the mind blowing, deep insights we received in the past.
As long as we identify it as such, MGTOW content can supply just interesting stuff (aka entertainment) to keep us satisfied until the next really cool, honest-to-goodness, bona fide MGTOW discovery or advancement is laid before us. The direction of MGTOW thus far has been outward ever outward – “Going where no man has ever gone before.” Yes,really. The star-nosed mole can still explore the tunnels. Bar Bar’s black and white image at the top of this blog brings to my mind a steel mechanical star-nosed mole feeling its way further and further into the darkness. Who knows what it will encounter?
But there is another direction MGTOW can go, and that is inward. I once heard someone use the term “Kung-Fu” as a verb taking on object. Maybe it is time to “Kung-Fu” MGTOW – take from it’s science and create an art.
Since the stimulating jolt revelations about reality are becoming more spaced out, how has the need for novel material affected MGTOW content? We still get quality content. I think JtO’s laser like precision with language and Diana Davidson’s planned series on applications of Robert Pirsig’s book, Zen and the Art of Motor Cycle Maintenance – as part of MGTOW self examination and introspection – are excellent.
With MGTOW content that does not purport to represent the fundamental nature of MGTOW, of course, anything goes. Have fun.
But there are two types of content or representations of MGTOW that are used to spice up MGTOW, keep it interesting, and make it look progressive. These two never ending sources of intellectual novelty have the power to slowly and fundamentally alter it.
a) extraneous philosophies and -isms
b) extraneous politics
The injection source of both of the above is man’s beloved attachment to his personal Weltanschauung.
This observer has always believed that the number one rule for the healthy growth of MGTOW has been: Never incorporate anything into MGTOW that is not absolutely necessary or essential to it.
-Like Bruce Lee said, “Pare away the unessential.”
I bold the word “extraneous” above to bring up the point that this word has two definitions:
The definition you all probably read into the word as you encountered it above is:
1. not pertinent; irrelevant.
But I intend the second definition:
2. introduced or coming from without; not belonging or proper to a thing; external; foreign: e.g.extraneous substances in our water.
MGTOW cannot afford extraneous substances in its water—and again the source of the pollution is man’s beloved attachment to his personal Weltanschauung.
Re: 2. MGTOW men — Please leave your Weltanschauung at the door.
Once the basics are assimilated, many MGTOW (some very talented and intelligent MGTOW) naturally see MGTOW through their chosen (often highly honed and sophisticated) lens on life – to the point they start to see that lens as part of the essence of, as part of the definition of MGTOW and start to represent MGTOW to others with thisexpanded definition.
One of the hardest things to let go of is one’s chosen or hard worked for Weltanschauung – World View. (You German philosophy fiends please spare me. Here we will just use very simplified definitions)
Wiki: A world view can include natural philosophy; fundamental, existential, and normative postulates; or themes, values, emotions, and ethics.
a comprehensive view or personal philosophy of human life and the universe
Douglas Adams’ Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy:
Life, the Universe and Everything
For those of us that went through a Red-Pill shock or a Red-Pill epiphany and after time are now very familiar with MGTOW, some of us might forget what a fundamental shift in Weltanschauung it was.
There are especially two elements of world-view that new men bring with them when they assume the MGTOW label and identity. I believe these world-views are distorting and diluting MGTOW understanding. They keep appearing in the MGTOW forums as extended representations of MGTOW understanding and now more and more in MGTOW video content. Kind of like MGTOW+.
1. mature codified politics
2. mature codified philosophies
The dynamics involving philosophy are similar to those of politics, so only politics will be dealt with, here.
As general topics of knowledge; politics and philosophy are as relevant as any other areas of systematized knowledge wherever they intersect with MGTOW, but as World-View that is a different matter. As everyone knows, the influx and growth to MGTOW this last year has been phenomenal. Many new names have appeared in the forums. The quality of the better posts has gained in sophistication. There are many very intelligent and well educated men now taking the MGTOW identity and even taking the MGTOW mantle as MGTOW educators to others. And with their sophistication and their understanding of MGTOW they bring their Weltanschauung.
A difficult line to draw is between the MGTOW essence/knowledge-base/definition etc. and politics. To state the very obvious, many, many people see life through the lens of politics. It makes up the bulk of television, radio, and Internet news. It is a World-View, a foundation for reality and values for people. Look at young men entering the military. People live and die by politics – in the voting and living part mostly women, in the dying part, mostly men of course.
When a man identifies with MGTOW to the point he wishes to represent it to others, “spread the word” so to speak – thus executing maybe one of the few fundamental agreed upon MGTOW ethics – it will be very difficult to not inject his own World-View into the much more specialized and limited MGTOW realm of concern.
Yes, there are areas where broad political concern and understanding is required. Gynocentric generated politics like Feminism touch everything political. In the takeover war with MRM, of course general politics is going to be relevant and paramount. As has been stated numerous times MRM is a political movement. The same with Tradcon interest in MRM and MGTOW. But what about when we MGTOW are left alone and allowed to go our own way – how much of general politics must we take with us on our journey? How much politics must be included in our message when trying to bring other men to the Red Pill? The dividing line between essential MGTOW politics and politics in general is important.
–CHARMING SIMIAN’S LOVE AFFAIR WITH POLI SCI CREEPS INTO MGTOW VIDEO–
Yes, there is a battle to determine the political nature and political extent of MGTOW philosophy. Think not? Let’s go to Turd Flinging Monkey’s (TFM) video “MGTOW: A Conflict of Visions”. I select TFM’s video not so much because of the political content of the video, but because of its “butthurt” trigger warning:
Video Description Box: “NOTE: This video contains politics. You’ve been warned.”
OK, it is obvious this is just a hedge against the expected and familiar criticism of unnecessarily injecting politics into MGTOW. But here the battle to expand extended political concern, vocabulary, analysis, and point of view into the theory and practice of MGTOW is pointed. Ostensibly, there is a need to take advantage of an ostensibly underutilized “resource” in order to benefit MGTOW knowledge and insight. This is playing with fire. In politics far too often the user becomes the used. Minimalism is the risk management of choice. Science does not go to politics to be enlightened, not even to Political Science.
But there is more along this line. In the video @ 0:10 we have:
“A quick heads up regarding this video, this is going to go into politics, by necessity. I am going to be discussing human nature which favors everything from politics, economics, to relationships. I simply can’t ignore politics, and the best sources in regards to this subject are political sources. So again if you are offended by politics and think that politics have no place in any discussion, regarding MGTOW, I invite you to click that little “x” in the upper right hand corner.”
The warning (hedge against expected criticism) in the video really is an argument, in itself, to the effect that more general-politics be admitted to MGTOW debate and philosophy. This of course implies there exists, in the MGTOW community, substantial opposition-opinion concerning what is seen as unnecessary politicization of MGTOW. The implication is accurate.
The characterization of this opposition as “butthurt”, paints the opposition as unthinking Pollyannas throwing a tea-party and forbidding the unseemly male habit of discussing politics in polite society. Those Pollyannas are given a trigger warning lest suffering to their delicate sensibilities be triggered. The image to be projected is that this manly, courageous, though diminutive simian, will have none of this nonsense, from these prissy naysayers. “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” MGTOW content will have more politics.
In other words, the “butthurt” trigger warning (with its humorous and effective graphic, and use of a fashionable Internet buzzword) is a clever and subtle Ad Hominem to the opposing side, implying lack of emotional control and unthinking emotional bias in those opposing increased politicization of MGTOW.
To tie into the point above about The Basics being boring, and people wanting to spice up MGTOW by fusing it with their favorite Weltanschauung lens. TFM, is obviously well versed in political discourse and ideology. He has the basics of MGTOW down and has rendered them skillfully in his videos. But I suspect politics is a specialty and passion for him. Skilled political analysis is a powerful hammer, but MGTOW philosophy is not a nail for such a hammer. Translation: MGTOW is now the overarching authority on politics relevant to itself. In areas of its concern and expertise, MGTOW analyzes politics, not the other way around – and no that is not an echo chamber.
Though the label existed previously, probably the single greatest act of creation that brought MGTOW into existence as the entity and force it is today was when Bar Bar and Stardusk about the same time made the quantum leap – and it was a quantum leap – that The Beast we had been wrestling with all this time was not feminism. It was the fundamental nature of woman! For the time, that was quite a leap.
Yes, my charming simian, there is an interesting parallel between Sowell’s thesis that systems that fail to see fixed human nature as the real problem fail miserably, and systems or approaches that clearly see fixed human nature as the real problem are far more successful. Yes, these are the respective “Visions” of MRM and MGTOW. You are right. MRM said the institutions were the problem, Bar Bar and Stardusk saw that the nature of woman was the problem.
But to tie into my thesis here. The process above illustrates another problem happening when new MGTOW insist on injecting their Weltanschauung into MGTOW. What is happening over and over is that pet extraneous (definition #2 above) ideologies and philosophies are simply being applied exclusively to men, to create yet another element inor definition of MGTOW philosophy.
Take anarcho-individualism which applies to people at large and apply it just to men – voilà! MGTOW
Take rational egoism which applies to people at large and apply it just to men – voilà! MGTOW
Take Objectivism which applies to people at large and apply it just to men – voilà! MGTOW
Take Libertarianism which applies to people at large and apply it just to
men – voilà! MGTOW
Take Thomas Sowell’s book which applies to people at large and apply it to men and women respectively and – voilà! – useful overarching analysis of MGTOW and insights into MGTOW and MRM.
In this writer’s opinion, it is unwise to drag any politics into MGTOW unless there is clear intersection and necessity. Even given the interesting parallel—the Conflict of Visions, the French and American Revolutions, MRM and MGTOW—Thomas Sowell is stupendously great politics and lousy MGTOW.
has been discovered to be lying and corrupt and an illusion (the Matrix) – it feels unreal to say – but if gynocentrism is real, if the illusion is real, if the Matrix is real, as men, if we could have been so wrong about the nature of woman, even as she lived with us, ate at our table, and slept with us – this cannot be an exaggeration.
Pardon the monastic flavor of the principle, but MGTOW need to simplify, focus, and withdraw from The World – not unnecessarily engage it further. Per JtO, MGTOW are The “Abandoners” of The System. Is not the modern term “The System” and the ancient reference to “The World” or “Worldly” the same? General politics is as worldly as one can get. Yes, the individual MGTOW is free to immerse himself in general politics to his heart’s desire – hey run for office – MGTOW for Congress!
But like it or not, systems have compatibilities. There is The System, and then systems within systems. MGTOW is a fragile system. There must be an inside to the temple and an outside to the temple. An inside to the walls of the city and an outside to the walls of the city. An inside to the cell membrane and an outside. Gynocentrism permeates the world.Gynocentrism is The World. The System is gynocentric. What is worldly is gynocentric. To be MGTOW is to shun what is gynocentric because we cannot change it. To be MGTOW is – granted, on a scale – to shun The World and what is “Worldly”. Yes, an analogy, but an analogy not stretched, but rather very close.
To now reverse myself a bit, yes, it works both ways and there are politics that inform MGTOW knowledge. I love Thomas Sowell, he has for decades been a keen knife slicing through the Left’s and the Feminist “War on Reality”. I could write an entire post on Sowell’s brilliant work. But I won’t, because fascinating and effective as it is, and as he is, it would just complicate and dilute the desperately needed vehicle to male freedom that is MGTOW.
TO RECAP AND CONCLUDE
We must not keep making MGTOW more complex or extensive just to keep it novel, interesting, entertaining, or keep a pleasant feeling of progress. There is much yet to explore, but it will likely be slow going, here on out. For most intents and purposes MGTOW Studies, as far as it has gone, is a masterable discipline, and its full breadth eventually becomes familiar. Perhaps it is time to shift from seeing MGTOW as only an expanding science and begin to refine it as an art.
We must not inject what is the entertainment/novelty aspects of MGTOW, or the pluses of MGTOW+, or the extraneous into The Red Pill. That will dilute it. Powerful medicine sufficiently diluted, ceases to be effective medicine.
The most potent and pure Red-Pill we can create and deliver to our fellow man. That isour Pearl of Great Price.